Bearhawk Five Plans #5053

Redneckmech

BH Five Scratch Build
I have been gradually working on my Bearhawk 5 for about a year now and am indebted to the many contributors here and on Youtube. There have been many times where I referred to someone else's build log to find just the picture I needed to clear up a question on the plans or forms so I am going to try to start documenting here to hopefully be able to pay it forward.

My progress is not quite as fast as I would like but between family and work it has been challenging to put the necessary time into the Bearhawk.
To add to that, the O-320 in my Cherokee decided it was time to start making metal and I have had to pick up a second part time job to cover the cost of the overhaul. I guess I cannot really blame it since it was last overhauled 52 years ago but the timing could have been better. I found metal (magnetic) in the screen at the oil change just before my checkride, after discussing it with 3 A&Ps I am friends with we determined that I "should" pull a cylinder immediately but since I already had my checkride scheduled in a week I shouldn't do much more damage if I could keep the time under 10 hours and re-check the screen. I passed my checkride on July 24 and as I was filling out IACRA I realized that it was 2 years to the day from when I had started flight training. Total flight time including my checkride was 4.5hr and as anticipated the amount of metal hadn't changed, I pulled a cylinder and found the expected lifter spalling..

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Even though it is taking longer than I would like, I am looking at the build as a journey rather than the end goal so I am just enjoying the opportunity to learn new skills and apply the ones I already have.

Everything in this first post is documented in my EAA build log, but I am going to give a very brief overview of where I am and how I got here.

After researching options, I chose to use the router method for cutting the wing ribs. For me, this was a learning opportunity since I am not a woodworker. I was previously a welder by trade so woodworking is a bit of a black magic to me. My wife (who is wonderfully supporting) even was skeptical since the last project I built out of wood was a shooting bench built out of scrap pallets and I used a chainsaw for all the cuts.

Since the router method actually requires a router, my first step was to get one.. I purchased one off of Craigslist and after fighting chatter issues with the router discovered that it had a bent shaft. I then purchased a Dewalt DW618 and mounted it to my welding table. This solved several problems, 1. It is not in the way, 2. Chatter is much reduced (my welding table is made out of 1/2" steel plate), 3. I have plenty of working area for routing the forms. A win all the way around!!

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I took a tip from N3UW and bought a 1/2 flush trim bit in addition to the 1/4" up-cut bit, I then replaced the 1/2" bearing with a 3/8 bearing and used that for trimming my form blocks. I also found that the best way of making consistent holes was to cut 1/8" undersize with the fly cutter and then route the last 1/8" of hole diameter. The final step was to route a 45 chamfer am pressing my flanges.


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I traced and rough cut all of the .025" ribs, I placed a flap or aileron blank in between each nose rib and center rib. Any strip of material 1" or wider is saved for making stiffeners. Rough cutting was achieved with snips,

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I discovered that my snips were scratching the material so I ground and polished the bolts that hold them together. Thankfully I was able to offset the finish cut and miss the scratches that were already in the material. I am now more vigilant but recommend polishing any new tool prior to using it.

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When drilling the nose ribs I had issues with holes wandering so I purchased drill bushings used by cabinet makers for making drill jigs, Using these in my master cutting jig I can much more accurately drill the holes. I also took some brass stock that I had and turned brass pins that were .001 less than the drill bushing. They are a tight fit but work wonderfully for accurately aligning and pressing flanges.

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I had a rubber stall mat that was on my shop floor when I moved in so I cut it into 12" squares and figured that I would try to use it for forming the wing ribs. A good friend of mine has a very well equipped shop and has a hydraulic press that I can use, unfortunately the hydraulic ram began leaking part way through and I was only able to form half of the nose ribs.
I experimented a bit since I had six squares of mat, I found that using 2 squares (1.5") gave the best results, I was forming both holes in the nose rib at the same time. My eldest son was very helpful and ran the hydraulic press for all 15 that I did. The mat worked well and similar can be purchased at the local farm store for about $65 which is considerably less than the recommended polyurethane.

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lubrication was provided by the leaking hydraulic ram and WD-40 applied to each of the rib blanks prior to forming.

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I experimented by starting with a smaller flange but I was able to get a 3/8" flange by using a form block flange length of .525" as recommended by SpruceForest​ in his wonderfully detailed document.

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That is current progress to date, it sure doesn't seem like much when I put it all down here but it is slowly adding up!
 
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Nice post, May I ask what size of press you are using? Seem like you are set up correctly. You could really punch parts quickly.
 
Thats the industry best practice for EAB builder to make ribs...

That it is, I am indebted to everyone that has taken the time to post on the topic. I have spent many hours researching and developing a plan based on the methods that have been presented by Chris in Milwaukee, N3UW, SpruceForest and countless others here and on other forums.
 
A bit more progress this week!

With the leak, I don't think the press had been making full pressure so the ribs required a bit of adjusting to lie flat on the table. Since the closest major supply store is 45 miles away and I did not want to make the trip, I walked around the shop scratching my head trying to figure out any hardwood I might have to make a bob-stick out of. After wasting time wandering aimlessly I found a busted axe handle that I had been saving for just this sort of occasion.
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The next step was to form the edge flanges, I previously had added the recesses to form the flutes into my formblock and used them for forming the initial flute. I found that a 6" extention for my 1/4" ratchet worked perfectly.

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I had two ribs that slipped in the vise while I was hammering the flanges and were scratched (ya think I would learn the first time....) I tried lightly polishing the scratches out with a fine surface conditioning belt but I was not satisfied with the results:

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I am also getting some light scratching from handling the aluminum, moving forward I am going to try to leave the plastic in place until after I have all flanges complete.


It sure is nice to see parts coming along!

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Next was to shift back to deburring the center ribs:

I am using a fine surface conditioning belt on my 2"x72" belt grinder and it makes very short work of any burrs and leaves a well polished surface:

I am running the belt pretty slow at about 20% on my VFD which equates to about 1000 SFPM.

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More progress, and learning opportunities :)

Good news first:

I finished all Aileron nose ribs, after some tweaking of my formblock they turned out exactly per the fullsize drawing in my plans!

When I initially created my formblock I had apparently not been precisely on the line. This resulted in the flange being 1/32" long on one edge of the aileron nose rib and 1/32 short on the other while the rib was 1/32" too tall. I was, however, able to modify my formblock and reshape the blanks so all well ends well. Here is the second time trimming them and how much I removed:
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I used the tip from the planelady as suggested by SpruceForest and cut up a scotchbrite disk and fitted it on my Dremel for de-burring (I highly recommend). I got 3 of them from Ebay for $12 so I have two extra remaining for other tasks.

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I had already formed two parts but was able to re-place them on the formblock and re-shape them by hammering the flange over again.
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I then started forming aileron ribs.

I ran out of wood hardener after creating my formblocks for the nose ribs and since I had seen several logs where nobody mentioned using it I assumed I would be just fine... Boy was I wrong..

Apparently MDF (from Home Depot) is quite compressible (on the order of just under 1/10" after 9 ribs).. The MDF started at .77"..

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I had been watching my son to make sure he was being safe and was not scrutinizing the ribs as much as I should have been... The first in the stack look pretty good, as they progressed they looked less like aileron ribs and more like potato chips...


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Time to reconnoiter and make the hour drive to get some wood hardener....

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On the bright side I was able to bob-stick the potato chips back to aileron rib shape:

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In my research I had not run across anyone that had issues with MDF compressing when forming ribs..

I am I the only one dumb enough to have tried forming without wood hardener or did I just get an extra soft batch of MDF?
 

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I had issues with MDF holding up. I used an old model airplane and wood working trick of using CA glue (super glue) to harden the edges. It works well also.
 
Thank you John, I will keep the superglue trick in mind. In your experience, does it work better than wood hardener? Wood working is not one of my specialties so I am certainly open to any suggestions.
 
So.. I began wondering what I was missing out on by pressing the flanges instead of bob-sticking them. I learned that curiosity doesn't kill the cat but it might give it a case of carpal tunnel... I tried on an aileron rib so that if I messed it up I would not cause any major loss of material. It turned out well but I decided I would continue with pressing the flanges. Although there were pressed flanges in the background this one was pure bob-stick. In "tuning" ribs before, I found that leaving the plastic on the rib made the bob-stick slide around the flange easier so I left the plastic in place and lubricated it with wd40
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That lesson learned I pressed the remainder of the aileron ribs, flap ribs, and center ribs.

Even with wood hardener, the forms compressed. The ribs did potato chip less though:

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here is the first and twelfth flap ribs pressed:

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Even with pressing the flanges, I am still getting some warpage although it is much less than the rib that I bob-sticked. I have been going through and flattening each rib by "tuning" with the bob-stick. Is this something everyone else is doing or am I just being overly particular since the edge flange will be bent afterwards?
 

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Thanks! Previously I had not seen anyone talk about flattening the ribs between flanging the lightening holes and flanging the edges which made me wonder if everyone else was foregoing that step. My current process is to flange the holes, tune with a bobstick, flange the edges and start the flutes on the formblock, vans straightener on the edge flanges, fluting pliers to flatten, and then go over them with the vans straightener again.
 
I am not sure about wood hardener. I have not used it. I just see CA glue as an alternative if you have it sitting around
 
Your results may vary but I did not flatten until after I added the flanges around the rib. I then it used the bob stick to flatten the rib after all the flanges were formed
 
Aileron ribs are finished!!

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With them complete I moved on to adding the fluting notches to the flap formblock:
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The first rib had the center flange buckle, I had it clamped in the vise but with the positioning of the lightening hole there was not enough material to prevent the stress from being transferred to the flange and causing it to buckle. I was able to fix it with the bobstick. I tried another one with the same results and decided that the flange needed more support.
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After thinking about the best solution for a while, it occurred to me that if I took one of the pieces I had cut out of the formblock, put a chamfer on it, and cut it down, I would be able to sandwich it between the backer board and the formblock and support the flange:
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It worked perfectly and I had no further issues with the flange buckling.

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Flap ribs complete!!!

On to the center rib formblock flutes:

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I am using my backer board to set the depth of the flutes at 1/8" deep.
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Using a rat-tail file to radius the edges of the flutes and then a cleanup with sandpaper before using wood hardener on it.
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After the wood hardener dried I had just enough time to try the formblock out.


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First center rib complete, now just to get the rest done!
 
It has been a while since the last update, progress has slowed temporarily due to work and family but I have not completely been sitting on my laurels.
I put in an order to Airparts inc. for what should be nearly all of the remaining aluminum for the Bearhawk, I planned to try to get it locally from Alcobra in Spokane but they were not able to get the 1/8" 2024 sheet that I need for the cap-strips and I wanted to get it before prices rose further due to the 200% tariff on Russian aluminum. Shipping from Airparts is not insignificant, if anyone in the north Idaho, eastern Washington, or western Montana area wants to combine shipping on a 4'x12' pallet, my order should be shipping from Airparts later this week and be delivered to Inter-state Aviation in Pullman Wa..

I finished flanging the center ribs and then began building a small brake much like the one alaskabearhawk has a video on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLMh-8BMaMQ. Since the plans were no longer available, I watched the video a couple of times and reverse engineered it with a couple of minor changes. Most of the changes that I implemented were to modify it to use available metal from my scrap iron pile and make a hinge pin to allow the leaf to be easily removable. It is currently on standby since the VFD on my belt grinder failed and I am waiting for the replacement so I moved on to cutting out the full-length ribs and remaking a couple of my first nose ribs that I didn't like the look of.

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I formed the rib joggles on the formblock prior to bending the rib

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Setting the radius on the first pass with the hammer and then flattening it as much as possible on the remaining passes

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They are gradually stacking up!
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A small gift for my wife for Valentines day. I still wonder how she is able to tolerate my antics, she has the patience of a saint.
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I used round stock that had seen previous service as a strut in car as the material to build the hinge pins.

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wrench flats via the rotary table on my mill
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setting hinge alignment using a transfer punch prior to welding:
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Once I get my grinder going again the clamp bar will finish it out, the hard part is done!
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the .025 wing skin layout, there will be 3 sheets needed in total just for skins.

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A few replacement nose ribs for ones I did not like the bend radius on, and a couple extra just in case.

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Lookie who showed up at KPUW!​

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21" bender is complete and adjusted

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MAJOR shout out to airpartsinc.com Not only were they cheaper than ACS and several others, the metal showed up in perfect condition. The .020 and 024 I received from ACS was good and the outside of the .032 looked good but once I had unrolled the .032 i found multiple gouges in the middle of the sheet..... Since it was a year after the order I worked around them but for any future orders it will definitely be Airparts or my local Alcobra metals and Alcobra had been unable to get .125 due to allocation..

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my 48" of .032 was able to provide both .032 full length inboard wing skins with (barely) room for the .032 ribs. I cut them out with extra (as shown above) on both ends.

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Another gouge from ACS.... This was on the bottom of the sheet and I missed it. I tried polishing it out but will probably remake it and keep this as a trophy.

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So.... Most "normal" people binge watch movies... I do not have a TV so.... what else to do but binge on airplane plans!! Woke up at 4:00 AM on a Sunday what else to do but go out to the shop and put together a list of 4130 for the Bearhawk!! My wife sent out food with one of my sons so I could keep on making progress. I finished at 9:00 PM PST. A good solid 17 hours but I have a full list of all 4130 needed for a BH5!

As I was going through I found a couple of minor discrepancies but was able to guesstimate or reference the correct materials for them.

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Half of the .032 center ribs are complete!

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More to follow!
 

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Where did the summer go?
Between family, projects, work, and overhauling the engine in my Cherokee, I did not have time to put much effort into the BearHawk but with summer coming to a close I am able to begin making progress once again. The .032 ribs and short ribs are complete, I rebuilt several nose ribs that I did not like the bend radius on, and I have a good start on the stiffeners for the nose ribs.

I compiled rivet list estimate for the BH B/5 wing, I am sure that I missed some and I am sure that I will need to drill out a few. If anyone sees any that I missed or miscalculated the length on, I would greatly appreciate that feedback! All rivet lengths are calculated with the grip length + 1.5*Diameter and rounded to the nearest size. For the shorter rivets I rounded to the nearest half-size.

Does anyone else that has built a "B" wing have suggestions on what they used or didn't use?

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CAUTION: I made the realization that the below calculations do NOT include primer.

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I just made the realization last night that all of my rivet calculations were not including primer. Does anyone have a measurement the thickness of an epoxy primer or a rib coated both sides with it?

Edit: From what I have been able to find, the thickness of the primer should end up at roughly 3-5 thousandths per side depending on how it is sprayed. Since I already put in my order for rivets I will likely have some that are too short. On the bright side, it will give my helpers (my three boys) some to practice driving and I had ordered 1/4lb of the next size up of every rivet so it will not put me line-down.
 
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I measured some of my parts, before and after primer application. Typically I added .0013-.0018 total thickness. And that's too much. Should not need longer rivets but they are nice to have around. Seems like what you compute and what you actually need can be somewhat different.
Gerry
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RE: rivet length. You are talking about a single thousandth of an inch. The big picture on rivet shop head formation is.....If you use a rivet that is a bit too long, the shop head tips over when its being formed and its unsatisfactory. If you have to choose between a short or a longish rivet (for example, you need either a 3 or 4 length and its right in between) choose the shorter. You will have enough material volume on the rivet tail to form a shop head that meets The Mil-SPec standards. Those Mil SPec standards are more specific and generous....meaning there easier to "pass" than the general pictorials we all see.

Use table three on this document. (about p.9)
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Thank you both for your response. Glad to hear that primer appears to be thinner than I read elsewhere or I misread/misunderstood thicknesses I found off of the VAF forum. I have MIL-R-47196A pulled up on my computer, will need to print it so I have it handy in the shop. I tend to overthink things more than I should so it will likely save me a lot of drilling.
 
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I found that on my Patrol spars I had to trim about 90% of the rivets to get to the center of the driven tolerances. Make sure you get some rivet guages to check the buck tail dimentions. Make lots of test coupons and record what rivet length you need for a particular part stack. That way you will build a database and you will get very good at predicting the required cut length. Good work for the kids. Here's a sample of my notes, Kind of a mess but you'll get the picture. I squeezed my rivets so I had to deal with rivet length and squeezer die length. Good luck.
Gerry
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On trimming Rivets, and selecting rivet lengths for purchase:

Avoid cutting Rivets to length. You will be greatful later...trust me.

Within reason, buy all the rivet lengths and especially seek out 1/2 length rivets, like the AN470AD3-3.5 (the dash 3.5 length is 1/2 way between the dash 3 length and the dash 4 length rivets) Just order small amount, they are cheap. These are available at both Aircraft Spruce and Vans Aircraft. But they might only have 3.5 and 4.5 lengths....maybe not 5.5 if I recall correctly.

I avoid a cut rivet. Maybe its my Cutter, or maybe it is my skill level. It shears the rivet to the length I choose, but in doing so it seems to work harden the material. So a large percentage of my cut are not driven properly....they are not smashing down properly and failing to meet the standard. So I no longer cut a structural rivet. I will grind them to length before I cut them.
 
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Thank you Brooks and Gerald for your feedback, I greatly appreciate your input.

Progress is still being made, I am very close to priming but wanted to complete all ribs first to minimize the number of times I have to set up a paint booth.

Aileron pocket ribs and flap nose ribs are now complete and it is almost time to start peeling all protective film off in preparation for cleaning and priming. I will be cleaning with prekote and priming with Stits EP-420.
My first rendition of my flap nose ribs did not have enough relief to prevent deformation at each corner so I notched my cutting formblock deeper and re-trimmed and polished them again. The second attempt appears to have worked well.
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I finally purchased a tungsten bucking bar at the recommendation of everyone here and my A&P friends. I also built Bob's bucking bar out of the Bearhawk book using some 1" barstock I had in the scrap-pile so I should be pretty well equipped once I begin riveting.

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I also drilled the bucking bar to accept dimple and squeezer dies for when the need arises and turned a set for the rivet gun to accept the other half of the die, as long as I keep it square to the material it works very well and should allow easy dimpling of areas that are hard to reach with the benchtop C-frame I have in process.

If you have not studied the Bearhawk book with the same detail as your plans, I highly recommend it. There are all sorts of hidden and not-so-hidden gems of information in it including answers to a question that comes up frequently here on the forum :-)
 
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Nice job building that bar. Seems like bucking bar designers never stopped to look at a human hand. My guess is your hands will be hurting when you start setting -5's in the main spars with those rectangular bars. Looks like you have some machinery, why not try a new design. My best bar that recently grew legs, started life as a 14" long 3" diameter steel cylinder that has been cut, machined and ground on for 40 years. Ugly but its cylindrical shape fits my hand. Flat sided bars with small corner radaii hurt my hands after just a few rivets. A pair of riveting gloves will help but you loose some "feel". Got to get that bar back. Good luck.

Gerry
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Thanks for the advice Gerry! I have a stockpile (my wife calls it a horde) of roundstock under my lathe. I think I have some 2-1/2 or 3" so may have to make use of it for a bucking bar.
 
Just had a chance to look through this thread - lots of good stuff here from the OP and others. Belated congrats on the check ride... that first is always the toughest, and keep flying... surprisingly perishable skill until you get things wired in. Will have to go back and do some editing on the rib forming stuff to better emphasize super-thin CA and wood hardener to stabilize MDF. Might have been SJT, but cheaper MDF is the devil, and some of what I have seen in Home Depot is def not high enough density to qualify as MDF... more like the low-density stuff.

A Five is on my list, assuming angle-valve 540 jugs drop below $5K per. Looked at bigger engines and it just gets worse. May end up making a radial attractive, assuming the Eastern European stuff comes back online at some point in the next 7-8 years.
 
Thank you! I guess I didn't mention it here, but I managed to finish up the overhaul on my Cherokee's O-320 in July and have about 32 hours on since. I am sure hoping parts costs come down for when I get to the BH engine but that is going to be quite a few years out at my current build rate.

Thank you for everything you have posted, I used your guide extensively for making my ribs.
 
OK, time to fess up..

A couple weeks ago I was getting ready to begin making my rib stiffeners and as I was preparing to, there was an article in Kitplanes magazine about scalloping non-critical parts for weight savings
(link below)
After reading it, I built a test piece and figured that I could save a bit over a pound of weight by doing that for all of the .025 rib stiffeners without affecting the strength. With the goal being to build as light as practical it seemed like a great idea. Over a three day weekend I built all of the .025 stiffeners with scallops.

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My initial thinking was that it should not affect the strength of the parts since the scalloped leg was riveted to the rib. Well, not so fast... The more I thought about the mechanics of it, the more I began to doubt the advice in the article and my initial thinking. Since the stiffener angles are an L shape and we are riveting along one leg of the L offset from the bend it is going to impart a rotational moment along the rivet line as the rib flexes with the wing. This in turn is going to force the length of the stiffener to change to match which will impart a stress concentration in the valley of the scallop.... And thus, increase the likelihood of a crack forming....

So based on that, I started digging into it further and asking myself the question, why, if the only obstacle to scalloping is the amount of labor, and Airbus and Boeing have extreme CNC capabilities, do they not do it....

From my research the reasons are threefold....

First, as I had considered, a scalloped edge cannot carry significant lengthwise tension or compression without significant increases in peak-to-valley stress concentrations - compression buckles concentrating at wave valleys.

Second, Transverse bearing-tear-out occurs on a 40 degree angles from hole center. Scalloped edges reduce tear-out strength by reducing the hole-edge-to-free-edge distance. "Analysis and Design of Flight Vehicle Structures" by E. F. Bruhn

Third, scalloped edges are significantly longer than a straight edge and cracks tend to form at edges; so the longer the edge, the greater the potential for cracks​.

If the rib stiffeners were parts that were easily inspected and easy to replace, I would likely use them. Also, if I was building a STOL competition aircraft the reward may outweigh the risks. For my purpose, I do not think the risk is worth the reward and I am nearly finished building a full set of .025 stiffeners per the plans.

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The moral of the story here, is to make sure to do the research before putting the effort into any plans deviations and if there is any question, stick to the damn plans!

If anyone is building a no-limits STOL competition BH, I have a set of rib stiffeners for you!
 
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Making more progress! It is nice to have primer on some of the parts!

Rather than the typical Etch - Alodyne - prime I am instead using PreKote since I have small children that tend to get into everything and PreKote isn't nearly as toxic. It seems to have advantages and disadvantages in that it does not leave a conversion coating like alodyne so priming must be done withing 24 hours after application. It also requires a lot of elbow grease with scotchbrite pads and I had grossly underestimated the amount of scrubbing that would be needed. I started about three in the afternoon and finished shortly before midnight on just the nose ribs and nose rib stiffeners. I then got up bright and early the next day and primed. So far the primer appears to be very well adhered but I will likely get a better idea of it once I start dimpling parts.

I am tempted to try an acid etch prior to using the PreKote so as to reduce the needed scrubbing, I don't foresee any ill effect but will have to research if there is any reason not to.

For primer, I am using Stitts EP420 in white. I honestly like the look of the green better but in thinking ahead for assembly and internal inspections to the wing I chose the white instead since there never seems to be enough light where you are working and I figured white will help with that.


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...For primer, I am using Stitts EP420 in white. I honestly like the look of the green better but in thinking ahead for assembly and internal inspections to the wing I chose the white instead since there never seems to be enough light where you are working and I figured white will help with that.

Not an expert here and didn't stay at Holiday Inn last night but generally speaking, primer doesn't provide lasting corrosion protection without topcoat.
 
That is a point I had wondered about. In my previous experience with autobody work, there were primers and primer-sealers. Primer-sealers did provide "more" corrosion protection but still did not provide any UV protection so if external would need a topcoat. I do not know which category that EP420 falls into but I had not seen where any other builders were top-coating internal wing parts and only primer was called out in the plans. I may have to dig into it a bit more.
 
I never top coated interior aluminum parts, steel yes. EP420 is a good primer. The factory primes the interior wing parts, no topcoat.
 
So I did some digging on primer just to ease my concerns, With EP-420 being an epoxy primer I am comfortable not top-coating it inside of the wings. For any steel parts I will likely use an etching primer in conjunction with the epoxy primer before top-coating.

Here is the spark-notes version of what I was able to find on the different varieties of primer:


Etching primer - used primarily as a tie coat to link bare un-sanded steel to topcoat or build primer. It is not a good rust inhibitor, but will prevent flash rust from humidity.

Vinyl wash primer - primer developed for military and marine applications to seal out moisture from steel. This type of primer is extremely durable and water proof. The drawbacks are it's poor adhesion to un-sanded steel, and it's lack of compatibility when used with an underlying tie coat.

Epoxy primer - The most commonly used primer over bare steel or Aluminum. This primer provides very good protection from rust and is very durable. You should use an etching primer tie coat over un-sanded bare steel.

2K Urethane build primer - Contains large amounts of solids to lay down thick coats, and is easy to sand. It is not intended to be placed directly on bare steel, it is a poor rust inhibitor and and it also absorbs water, due to its high solids content. This type of primer should be used over top of an epoxy primer, or a vinyl wash primer before applying finish coat to this primer you should use a sealer.

DTM primers - (Direct-To-Metal) primers are relatively new. They are corrosion resistant urethane primers that can be applied directly to bare sanded steel, and are high build, and do not require a sealer coat. They are a fast curing urethane and are ready to sand within 1 hour. These types of primers do not protect as well as others against corrosion.

Epoxy primer/sealer - this type of primer is used after build primer immediately before top-coating to seal moisture from the build primer. most topcoats are not very corrosion resistant because they are porous and allow oxygen to the metal. This extra step insures that moisture will not de-laminate body fillers, or create lifting of the build primer, or surface oxidation. Most of these primers are the same as regular epoxy primers but will have a different mixing ratio so it is thinner and easier to lay down.​
 
Center ribs are now primed and have stiffeners riveted on! All .024 ribs used AD3-3.5 rivets, I used AD3-4 for .032 ribs and AD3-5 for the root ribs. Pretty much all of them about a 1/2 size above what I had originally calculated.
I also upgraded rivet guns. I had been using a surplus IR AVC12 gun which did not have good trigger control and had a great deal of leakage. I found a NOS Chicago Pneumatic 4444-RUSAB (3X) on EBay for a good deal. With the new gun I was able to regulate the trigger down to a single hit. This made a world of difference.. I liked it enough I found a CP 4444 RURAB (2X) gun that was missing a spool valve and repaired it. The 2X has quickly become my favorite gun for the 3/32 rivets when adjusted down to 25-30PSI and I can have an entire stiffener riveted on in the time it took me to squeeze one-two rivets with a squeezer.


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The next step to do was one that I have been putting off: drilling the balance tube hole in the Aileron nose ribs.

I first tried a Forstner bit as I had one on hand and I had seen another builder use with good luck. Well... My luck was not as good.

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I think my next step once i get the Aileron and Flap ribs primed is to start cutting spar blanks and figure out how I am going to bend them....
 

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Too late for you this time around, but a jig which clamps the aileron nose rib web-down, a 1/4" pre-drilled center hole, and a bimetal or carbide hole saw with the center drill replaced with a bit of 1/4" drill rod works well in the drill press for those minimum-clearance aileron balance weight holes .
 
I am at the point in the project where bending the spars is quickly going to be a gating option and I still have not been able to make a decision on how I am going to do it. So far, I have been unable to locate a usable 10' brake within a 100 mile radius, the only one I have found is not in a condition that would produce a scratch free spar and I like doing all work myself anyhow so I am currently leaning towards building a brake out of some scrap I beam that I have laying around or possibly investing in the material to build a good quality brake.

Does anyone know if the Mac's Machine brake plans are still available? The links I have tried no longer work and I have been unable to locate them. It looks like a well built brake that could be increased to the needed length with only minor changes.

Has anyone tried priming one side of an aluminum sheet to protect it prior to bending spars? The aluminum sheet I have for the spars only has plastic on one side of it and I am weighing my options between priming it or using adhesive floor protector to protect it from scratches during bending.

Thanks,

Bill
 
There is another thread going on now, in addition to a few others in the archive, that address brake building. They all follow a similar arc of "how hard can it be" with a few replies to the contrary, to "well that didn't work" to "why is this so hard", then after many iterations and much work, maybe to "I finally got it to work" but not always. The forces involved are very high and if you've seen a 10' brake big enough to do the job, you know it's a seriously heavy machine. Something more on the scope of a truck than a workbench.

Can you make little shoes for the brake out of soft aluminum flashing?.it comes in a long skinny piece and is easy to find locally. Bob mentions this in one of the early Beartrscks for both scratch protection and also radius modification.
 
Unfortunately, the brake that I located is well past being in adequate shape for a shoe to help it. It is a large finger brake that someone must have bent much thicker material than it's capacity at some point in its past. Several of the fingers are bent over 1/8" and I don't think they could be shimmed back into alignment.

I just got another lead on a shop semi-locally that may have a brake so will be checking with them today. Alternately, kilohotel had his spars bent at a shop in Post Falls, it is about 120 miles away from me so may be worth the drive...
 
Your local fabrication shop may not have a 10' brake, but I bet he knows his competitors and may tell you who does. Some jobs just need a professional touch.
 
That is the problem with not being near a major population center, I have gotten several references but all were to shops that are in Spokane Wa, which is a solid 120 miles away from where I live. I now have a line on a shop in Clarkston Wa, which is only about 40 miles away. Going to give them a call today and hope they have the capability and willingness to bend them.
 
Has anyone else run into an issue on plans page 7 where the actual measurement differs from the call-out? I was copying the sketch with a light-box and engineering paper and noticed that it doesn't quite match up. The Main Spar Inner plate measures 5-7/8" where the call-out is 5-3/4" and the Splice Plate measures 5-13/16" instead of 5-3/4".
Is this just my set of plans or is is a known issue? If it is a known issue has everyone has just been trimming their plates to the call-out?

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Spar webs are bent!!!

Plenty of learning happened of which first and foremost, do not assume that a regularly used brake is actually in adjustment. I was able to find a small local shop that had a brake in good shape, When I inquired about having my spar webs bent, the owner responded " I don't want to bend those for you, but if you want to use the brake you are welcome to try!"

Well, I tried...

several times...

I was able to successfully get test pieces bent left right and center that were perfect matches but when I bent full length pieces (read: spars) they ended up narrower in the center than on the outside edges. After getting frustrated, stepping back, and researching potential issues, I was able to determine that the truss rods were FAR out of adjustment. I spoke with the owner and reported my hunch, he was willing to let me make any needed adjustments to the brake. I was able to find a document from a brake manufacturer that gave very limited information on adjusting a leaf brake essentially stating that it was shipped from the manufacturer set for maximum capacity with the leaf flush on the outside edges and 1/32" low in the center of the leaf. The listed caveat was that if bending material thinner than maximum capacity the leaf may need to be adjusted "closer to flush". I spoke with several fabricators and A&Ps and was told that the only real way to know was trial and error... Although I felt that I already had my share of error, I am also too dumb and too stubborn to give up, so I spent two days and several additional test pieces until I finally had a satisfactory result.

I spent all of last Saturday bending spars and trailing edges and am happy to report that my maximum width variance was less than 1/32" with most being less than 1/64" with no vertical bowing.

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a.jpg There is a line on your mylar sheet that has the marking CL. For the patrol that line is perpendicular to the spar lines. You need to block up the rear spar so that the CL line is parallel with table. Or you could use squares to make the spar lines perpendicular to table. Either way you need to find out what size wood block has to be placed under rear spar so that it is spaced up correctly.


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I liked assembling on a table. On you plans you need to figure out how high the rear spar needs to be spaced up off of the table.

On the patrol I found it should be about 1.34 inches.
 
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When you get to the step after that -and you suspend a line thru the attach hole- it will not line up. It is not suppose to in the short web direction. The plumb bob is for lining up in the long web direction.


I kinda wished I had put some tiny tooling holes in center ribs along that CL line. Doing so would serve no purpose other then allowing you to use a second plumb bob and realize that it could not have been anything other then that.

I advocate for delaying the cutting of the center ribs to accommodate the spar capstrips to the very last step.
 
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The spars are slowly taking shape!

Has anyone gotten guidance on the tolerance for the spar splice plates? When I was routing them out, I had the bit chatter and in polishing out the chatter marks they ended up 1/32" narrower than called for in the plans. Part of me says that 1/32" is not going to matter, but the OCD side of me is leaning towards re-making them since it is a critical point in the wing. Edit: one set of plates is .030" narrower than spec, one set of plates is .058" narrower than spec. Since I cut each of my cap-strips, they are slightly over spec by .030" each so would easily make up the difference.



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Thank you very much for your reply, I greatly appreciate it!
For anyone else reading this, I didn't make it clear in my original post but the logic I am following is that the location of the interface between the splice plate and the capstrips really should not matter provided all edge clearances are adhered to and the moment of inertia is the same (same cross sectional area at the same distance from the centroid of the spar). Since my capstrips are slightly wider than the plans, they should make up the difference in the splice plate being narrower.
 
Looking good! You have me thinking that I need a 5 after the Patrol wraps!

On the fit... the caps transfer bending and shear loads to the spar web, and the vertical reinforcements between the caps aim to prevent those caps from moving relative to each other (failure in buckling). With all those 1/16" and 1/8" verticals at rib locations plus the 032 rib clips, an imperfect fit-up to the caps at the splice is secondary to getting a good, stable splice across the web joint.

Just my two cents. If feeling a little wiggy about it, give Bob a call... had a good talk with him at the fly-in this past Saturday, and he is very approachable. Met Bob's wife, baby sister, and other members of the extended family, and all of them were very cool... must be a generationally developed or genetically enhanced capability for both patience and grace.

Def Monday AM QB'ing here, but FWIW, milling spar plates and wing mount plates to cap strip-to-cap strip distance on a tablesaw (aluminum blade gives a super-smooth cut) gets a tighter tolerance fit, then finish on a router jig and table or band saw and file/die-grinder/carbide mill bit. For this work in 1/8" sheet, it's worth doing a large fixture that provides enough mass to avoid chatter and other artifacts, and avoiding a fixture design that tries to mill both shaped edges on the smaller, lower mass, harder-to-hold components in one pass.

Note the brass pins for fine alignment and the 1/4-20 flathead machine screws and spinners for tension between the guide plate (with the bit is referencing) and the undersized cover plate (which keeps the work from shifting upward during the cut). Wing tooling currently out in MI getting out a third airplane worth of parts.

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That is some incredible tooling! I will have to keep your suggestions in mind for any future parts, and once I finish the Five I might have to borrow your tooling! Watching your project has me thinking I need a Patrol to play in once I finish the family hauler up!

Up until I started on the Bearhawk I had not worked with a router or wood so it has been a learning experience with a lot of it being what "not" to do. I am enjoying the process and waiting until I can start on the welding since that is my jam! I have welded on enough rusty, linseed oil-filled, doped tubing that I am really looking forward to welding on new, clean 4130!!
 
In case anyone wanted to stock up, the Yardstore has surplus clecos in stock again! I purchased several hundred last year, a few of the 3/32 I got were bent but usable all larger sizes were in good condition. at $.35/apiece it is hard to go wrong!
 
The web attach plate is a good place to start . Make sure that there is extra material at the wing attach side. There is tight tolerance at the splice joint.
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For me I left the top cap strip long so that it could be trimmed for a tight fit to transfer load
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I was very found of rubber bands to keep capstrips tight instead of trimming each 6061 short piece
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the cap strips were pre-drilled undersize.

I used rivets stuck in capstrip just to pull everything tight. before drilling thru spar.
Then I might use metric m3 screws to hold capstrips to spar as I went down the line to drill thru ohter rivet holes
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You could use silver clecos but you may want the cap strips to be more secure then a silver cleco



When the holes are drilled out for a 5 rivet you can use screws with wingnuts to hold together.
You
must be careful that some of the rivet locatons are altered near the web splice. If possible do not pre drill in that area.

there are special clecos that can be used but I did not have enough so i used wingnuts

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Thank you Stan, I greatly appreciate the tips and recommendations since I have been noodling on how to ensure a tight fit-up. So far I have been file fitting each part to ensure that I cannot fit a .0015" feeler gauge in any joint.
 
The only part that I had to adjust was one of the top capstrips that must impinge on the main wing attach plate. multiple trips to sander until I got the fit I wanted. I had left that capstrip long for that purpose.

The rest was done with strings and rubber bands.

Capstrips matched drilled undersize w/ #40 . I then just used ad4 rivets as pins to hold rubber bands.

The web splice has to positioned to avoid rivet holes near spar edges. In the case of the patrol it is called out as 1 9/16. It is not a precision thing it is just what is required to get rivet to edge distances.
Also, the rivet spacing on the capstrips changes near the web splice. Some of the rivets are moved. Some are not

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If at all possible do not predrill holes in capstrip near the web splice areas that have a change in rivet to rivet distance. You can mark the holes with do not drill. You can put tape over the holes to remind yourself not to dirll. Non of it matters when you start drilling your brain turns off and you drill every hole in sight.

The same thing happens when riveting. There are rivets to hold up fuel tanks and 4130 bars . You know that they are not supposed to be riveted. If you are like me you will rivet all of those locations and have to go back and drill them out. If your really as bad as me you will anvil the rivet -then drill it out - then put in another rivet and only latter realize there is not suppose to be a rivet in that location.
 

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I made a plexiglass tray that held pens that marked my web center. The tray matched the angle of the spar web.

I then used a string to make sure that the web was spliced in a straight line




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I needed to get to both sides of the spars. My spars could slide along a raised level surface to reach the underside.

If you have a helper you might not need to do this sort of thing. It might be quicker to rivet horizontally .



mdf tracks can be locked in place and bolted to 2x4
overhang

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I made these little sliders that could individually be adjusted for level. There is 6061 angle under boat on the mdf track


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This is track 5 with boat 5 . There are two allen screws threaded into boat that set level. Boats can travel along level mdf track or in some cases during riveting it is taken off if
in the way of 6061 spacers on front of spar.


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Did you end up getting some resolution on this? I'm going through my plans now and found the same issue. Is it more important to have the part match 1:1 for the drawings, or to be accurate in the listed dimensions?
 
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