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  • Tail Surfaces Layout and Jigging for Welding

    Carlo is getting close to needing the tail surfaces to get his aft fuse control runs done (avionics and interior already done on his bird... too cold to weld = not too cold to wire or set nut plates), so he asked me to block time to fab the stab/elevator and rudder jigs. The stab and elevator layout are detailed, but the same approach handles the elevator and any full scale layout jig needed for the vertical stab. Worth a couple shots to capture the approach we used... if you have a better/different method, please feel free to add to the thread or link to your post here.

    Job One was figuring out a reference line, and our decision was to use the LE of the elevator for fore and aft ref and elevator forward extension for the lateral ref. We gridded off the plans page in 1/2" increment for the elevator and stab using those references, then added some 1/4" increment gridding at the elevator tip to fine-tune the shape there. Once that was done, I laid out and cut two pieces of plywood to nest together along the reference line and duplicated the grid layout using 2" squares (1" at the tip). We added the plan stab and elevator centerline, hinge centerlines, and a few other control points based on that fuselage CL (ends of the T13/14 leading edges and aft T14 stab spar).

    Nested Ele and Stab Laout.jpg

    With just a 4x increase in size to handle, a good pair of dividers handles the transfer of plan to jig grid intersection, and some thin box nails at about every 3rd or 4th grid line give me the ability to wrap a plastic spline (an 8' x 1/2" x 5/16" piece of cellular PVC offcut... Azek or Veranda) around those initial control points, then adjust the nails for a fair curve (plus add additional nails to keep the baton in place). For stuff like this, an eye-sweet curve is important - any up-scale always introduces some measurement error, so it is worth understanding what has to be dead-on (e.g., tubing cut-off for interface to fuselage mounts) and what just needs to be a fair curve that is reasonably close (+/- 1/4") to Bob's layout (e.g., elevator tip shape). A fine Sharpie allowed us to trace the applicable edge of the baton for the outside of the tubing, and a carefully selected washer handled the offset to lay out both sides of the T3 (3/8" offset) and the T13/14 (7/8") stab leading edge tubing.

    Elevator Spline.jpg

    We decided to use a 1" vertical lift for the T13 and T14 tubing to allow room for the airfoil-shaped stab ribs plus some room to allow back-side tacking. A little arithmetic give us blocking height for the T1, T3, and T5 tubing. Other than that, we added vertical reference blocks on one side of the blocking with the intent of using steel spring clamps to keep things aligned and allow easier adjustment where necessary. For the ribs and the T1 stuff, we cut a number of blocks from scrap to allow temporary squaring of ribs, etc. using clamps or hot glue gun for temporary tack of block.

    Stab Blocking.jpg Elevator Blocking.jpg

    Will post on actual construction if there is anything to add to the convo.
    Last edited by SpruceForest; 06-05-2025, 10:49 AM.

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    Nice job, the more images the better.
    Gerry
    Patrol 32#30

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    • #3
      Tail feather jigs completed with the rudder jig...

      Rudder Jig Layout.jpg
      Rudder Jig Blocking.jpg

      Lots of minor tweaks on this airplane - such as saving some weight by a 'Y' in the T1 versus two full-length pieces... these braces keep the inner-most stab rib from bending due to covering loads, and a single piece of T1 is plenty strong enough to do that... a short 'Y' saves an ounce back where it matters. Elevators in progress, with Carlo using a single larger tab versus the plans split tab based on his experience with his Patrol flights (plenty of pitch trim authority) and experience on the two Hatz biplanes built. With electric trim, he's focused on some weight savings by putting the servo in the elevator itself. Note the lack of the elevator trim structure, as that disappears with servo-driven electric trim in the elevator. Cargo is thinking some scrap tungsten embedded in the elevator horn weights as far forward as possible to reduce overall mass balance weight and 'pay' for that HD trim servo.

      Hor Stab Welded.jpg
      Last edited by SpruceForest; 06-27-2025, 07:11 AM.

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      • #4
        Forest--- I did about the same thing you are doing except I didnt make a grid on the table. I drew a center line down the spar. The perp. lines at each rib location. Established the depth at each rib location with a scale ruler. Then I used a long stainless ruler to flex and laid out intersecting curves for the trailing edge. took a few draw/erase repeats to get the curve I liked. Then I made wood pedestals- each having a half circle notch--- so they held the tubing perfectly elevated but parallel to the table surface. Each tube diam. had a different height to make all the tube centers coincide. Then I took galvanized pipe strapping and made straps to apply downward pressure to the tube at each station using to screws to pull the strap down. That was a very sturdy setup. I did a wood tower about every 12 inches. more in certain spots. It held the whole assy good and stout.

        I drew out a big rectangle with one side being the spar tube. That helped keep the ribs square .

        Rudder done.... doing horizonal stab now-----

        Tim

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        • #5
          Originally posted by fairchild1934 View Post
          Forest--- I did about the same thing you are doing except I didnt make a grid on the table. I drew a center line down the spar. The perp. lines at each rib location. Established the depth at each rib location with a scale ruler. Then I used a long stainless ruler to flex and laid out intersecting curves for the trailing edge. took a few draw/erase repeats to get the curve I liked. Then I made wood pedestals- each having a half circle notch--- so they held the tubing perfectly elevated but parallel to the table surface. Each tube diam. had a different height to make all the tube centers coincide. Then I took galvanized pipe strapping and made straps to apply downward pressure to the tube at each station using to screws to pull the strap down. That was a very sturdy setup. I did a wood tower about every 12 inches. more in certain spots. It held the whole assy good and stout.

          I drew out a big rectangle with one side being the spar tube. That helped keep the ribs square .

          Rudder done.... doing horizonal stab now-----

          Tim
          I think as long as you can make x-y measurements and check with a second method (either off grid or from an x-y baseline), it works. Grid helps prevent any massive measurement error (allows quick reference re: which grid square/where), but it is more work and subject to the same mental confusion/measurement error we see in any plans-to-the real measurement. I've also seen photo projection used for this sort of thing, and realistically, being a half inch off in shape due to lens distortion is not going to matter as long as the hinge lines are correct (there is at least that much slop in the ribs).

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