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  • BH 5 Engine debate

    With my BH5 kit on order, I've turned to the hotly debated question of which engine for my mission. I have a small 1,000' grass airstrip in the Cascade mountains (elev 2,000') on my ranch with tanks of 91 autogas that I'd like to use versus having a special tank of 100LL. I do 80% of my flying from my airstrip.

    I watched Virgil's build YouTube videos and was intrigued about his adapting the 260HP IO-540-D4A5 to squeeze 290-300HP while burning 91 mogas. I've been chatting with Virgil about engine choices and he provided great feedback - most BH5 builders are putting in the IO-580 ("a true hot rod, high performance engine" - Virgil). I know several BH5 builders putting in the 300HP IO-540-L1C5. The challenge is finding cores for a rebuild versus writing a very big check for a new Lycoming. For rebuilds, there are IO-540-K cores available and Virgil is completing a rear sump airbox for it.

    For my mission, I can get by with the smaller, lighter, much cheaper 260HP IO-540-D4A5 and add the EFII and other mods that Virgil describes to get 290HP. But I would love to hear what engines other BH5 builders selected and perhaps why? Please poke holes in my logic and bring up considerations I've overlooked.

    Second question: autogas (with E10) vs mogas (ethanol free). I've done a lot of research on this question and read conflicting advice. When I read about ethanol separation at altitude or more water pooling in the tanks, I always go back to ... Rotax engines do just fine with autogas. I know a number of Rotax turbocharged experimental owners that fly from sea level to the mid-teens all 4 seasons with no issues. I understand the sealant and tubing issues that need addressed, but can I fly with 91E10 in my IO-540-D4A5 with EFII? And what would Ethanol free give me - more performance, higher safety margins, etc?

    Thanks, John - first-time builder, first-time experimental flyer.

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    Ethanol is corrosive to aluminum and reacts with other metals, and is detrimental to plastic and rubber. I wouldn't put it in anything not specifically designed to handle ethanol. I do run ethanol free mogas (verified regularly) mixed with 100 LL. Ask any carb of FI overhaul shop what their opinion of ethanol is, they will have lots of stories to tell you, none of them good.

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      I know, but it still begs the question about Rotax aircraft engines and their support of E10. There are many popular experimental planes flying with Rotax engines and burning 91E10. How?

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        I’m sure some experimental aircraft fuel systems have been designed for e10 fuel but I’d wager the majority of owners flying e10 are simply ignoring the risks and consequences. You can get away with some things for a long time. Most fuel system rubbers currently being used are tolerant of ethanol. How long will it take the ethanol in e10 to corrode an aluminum tank to the point someone notices? Probably quite a while.

        If mogas is a priority then that will play significantly into your engine selection as that eliminates the factory Bendix fuel injection system. However, same deal applies here as e10; some folks run mogas in the bendix FI engines but they likely have no idea how close they may be to inflight vapor lock. There is a reason there are no FI Lycomings certified for mogas and it isn't because the FAA was being difficult. Call up Petersen Aviation your self if you want to hear the story first hand.

        I’m not a one that craves big horsepower. I put a 210hp Continental on my BH4 and am very happy with it. However, if I were building a BH5 for me to haul my family around I would be installing a Continental IO550. If I were building one to mostly fly solo out of my farm strip but wanted family trip capability I’d go with a Lycoming 540 or a Continental 470.
        Scratch Built 4-place Bearhawk. Continental IO-360, 88" C203 McCauley prop.

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        • N204jh
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          Thank you! Interesting your comment about the Continental IO-550. I put an Airplains IO-550-D in my 182P and loved it every day. Why do you like the IO-550 over the IO-540-L1 (300hp)?

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        I haven't seen the BH5 guys jumping in with CG numbers. I know the fuselage is longer, mostly behind the CG. Does it need a heavier engine to put the CG where you want it?

        EFI, either brand, fix the E10 issue. But they add their own complications. That was my choice.
        Last edited by svyolo; 08-15-2025, 06:17 PM.

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        • N204jh
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          Why did you select EFI? And what fuel are you burning? Thanks.

        • svyolo
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          Mostly because I know it the best. Bendix is a bit of a "black box" to me. I have a bit under 60 hours on it, still sorting cooling issues. After that probably 91 octane E10 most of the time.
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