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I own a small aircraft modification and integration company on 2w6 airport. I am thinking of buying a kit and building it strictly to sell. Is this something people would be interested in? Is it worth my time? Which is more popular the bearhawk or the RV series? the nice thing is that we have all the equipment and hangar space to build these kits....some feedback would be greatly appreciated. Our company name is Pax Aero Solutions.
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Welcome Dennis!
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Unfortunately this is not allowed in the USA. The planes must be be built by amateurs for education and recreation only.Originally posted by dennis.dubois View PostComment
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You can offer a quick build option where the builder would be on site and actively involved in the build. This would need to be highly organized so that all of the work to complete could be done in two weeks. A lot of time is spent figuring out how it goes together, waiting for paints to dry, organizing tools, building tooling and ordering materials.
Visit with Mark and Bob to see if they would be supportive of such an activity.
Remember that experimental amateur built is supposed to be for recreation and learning and not for limited production of a particular design.Comment
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That's if the buyer wanted to have the builder certificate.
But now I'm confused... If he's not getting paid to build the thing, but just when he sells the final product (registered e/ab with him as the builder), how is that any different than if I built, finished, tested and sold my patrol out of my garage? During the build who examines my true intentions?
Welcome to the forum Dennis! It's all a moot point anyway; once you build and fly one you'll want to keep it.Mark
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In this case, Dennis has told us his intent, which is to build a kit strictly to sell. He's motivated by the financial gain, not the education and recreation. That's what's not allowed, by the letter or the intent of the rules. If someone builds an airplane for the fun of it and then sells it right afterwards, that's within the letter of the law, but not really the intent. But it's highly unlikely that a person doing this is going to make enough financial gain to justify the inputs, at least in the current market. Most of us subsidize our finished airplanes with labor rates well below anything reasonable.Originally posted by Chewie View Post
I'm not really comfortable with providing a venue for discussing how to circumvent any regulations, especially when the circumvention could jeopardize our freedom to enjoy this wonderful hobby. I've left the post because I think it's better to talk about it being a bad idea than to not talk about it at all, and it's reasonable to think that Dennis just didn't realize that was the regulatory framework we are working with.Comment
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To that, in order to get an airworthiness certificate, he'll have to lie on an official form that has penalties of fines and prison time.
Not sure that's worth the 20-30k you might make doing this. And that would be the profit from materials cost. If I paid myself even 1/4 what my job pays me, to work on the airplane, I could not sell it for a profit.
The FAA really hates lying. It's usually hard to catch someone doing so, but when they do they go after everything they can. You won't have a certificate left at the very least. (A&P, pilot, etc, they'll all be taken). And of course the airworthiness certificate would be invalid, making your "airplane" an intricately assembled pile of scrap metal.Last edited by zkelley2; 12-07-2019, 01:05 PM.
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The form, for anyone that wants to read it is the 8130-12. https://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/...faa8130-12.pdfComment
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