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  • 4-Place - Fuselage dimension help request

    Hello,

    I've been sitting on plans for a 4-place for a number of years. I need to get past a few blockers and get this thing moving. Could I ask a few questions?


    On page 17B, I'm having trouble finding critical dimensions.

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    Specifically, the vertical height of these locations in the green circles.

    1. vertical height of the point above B in reference to datum
    2. Vertical height of S in reference to datum
    3. Vertical height of point above D in reference to datum

    4. Reading Eric's build manual, it appears the door sill must be 15" from the intersection above B to S and parallel with the lower longeron. I'm not finding that figure in the dimensions on the plans?

    5. (See #2 above) There's a dimension for C-S that appears to show the distance from C to S as 8" on page 19B below:
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    What's not clear to me is if 8" represents the flat distance from C to S, or the vertical distance from the bottom longeron perpendicular to S which is a longer leg of the right triangle since C-S is at an angle. Since this is a station plane diagram, I feel like S is exactly 8" in height above the bottom longeron, not the distance from C to S which is undocumented as an exact length. I don't know how to interpret this one without asking. Any thoughts on what I'm looking at (length of material, or height of station above datum)?

    6. As I am now searching for the lean-back angle of C-S in reference to the lower longeron, I can see plans page 31B which references the flap handle (no screenshot here) and I can take a pro-tractor the old fashioned way for the angle. Ideally, I'd like to use CAD and get the right inputs and validate with a protractor.

    On page 29B, it shows the control stick mount where C-S is perpendicular to the S-D support diagonal at apparently a right 90' angle. The original side view of the fuselage in my first screenshot certainly does not appear that this is a 90' right angle. I can mock this up with CAD using this 90' degree angle and work the problem, but I need to constrain either the length of C-S or height of S as 8" from lower longeron, whichever is accurate. -see question 5.

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    7. Another question, what are the horizontal dimensions in respect tot he center line for locating these diagonal intersections on C-S? I don't see them referenced anywhere in the drawings for the B model. Is this critical, or eyeball it?
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    8. I have the same problem locating the dimensions for the top frame layout between P and O on page 18B. I'm not sure this part really makes a lot of difference, but i'll ask.


    Thanks!


    James

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  • #2
    Hi, James,

    I don't have the 4B plans, so I'm going off of my 5 plans. I think many of your answers for # 1, 2, 3, 7, & 8 are going to come down to pulling out a scale (or protractor) and making the actual measurement from the plans. All of the diagrams you referenced have either a scale noted in the corner of the plans or scale as noted on the individual diagram. For #5, on the model 5 plans the distance referenced is the flat distance. I verified this by measuring C-S on the control stick mount diagram.

    Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

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    • #3
      Buy an engineering scale and use that to determine the measurements. The plans are exact and scale only off the plans, not any photocopies.

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      • Sir Newton
        Sir Newton commented
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        100% Only scale off the original plans.

    • #4
      Ok, will give this a shot. Good news is, there's only a few items I'll have to scale from plans and I thank everyone for the advice. Will get this thing started.

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      • #5
        Here are a few examples. The question that comes up on occasion: "Is the measurement to the outside of the tube...or inside...or center?" All the drawings, unless specifically noted in the plans by Bob, are tube centerline to tube centerline. Hope this helps...

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        Last edited by alaskabearhawk; 05-19-2023, 03:03 PM.

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        • #6
          Those were good questions---- ones I might have asked in the near future if I have to scratch build it-----

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          • #7
            does anyone have a close up pick where the longerons come into the firewall ? how that is fitted is not shown on the plans....

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            • #8
              This one might get you a view you can use. About 5/6 down the page.

              Christopher Owens
              Bearhawk 4-Place Scratch Built, Plans 991
              Bearhawk Patrol Scratch Built, Plans P313
              Germantown, Wisconsin, USA

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              • #9
                Also this one and the next four entries or so from Paul's build log.

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                Christopher Owens
                Bearhawk 4-Place Scratch Built, Plans 991
                Bearhawk Patrol Scratch Built, Plans P313
                Germantown, Wisconsin, USA

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                • #10
                  Thanks to Chris for pointing me into the right month and year to find my photos! Hope this helps.

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