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  • VP-X Pro Randomly cycles power to devices

    Hi guys

    I've seen lots of VP-X issues discussed on the Vans forums but not one quite like this.

    System description: O-540, Plane Power 60A alternator, B & C 40A backup, EarthX900 battery, VP-X Pro, G3X 460 and 470, etc. The actual devices don't really matter as you will see in the problem description.

    Background: Just finished a 13 year/5100 hour scratch build of my Bearhawk. 0 time O-540 and Hartzell, G3X system with 3 axis AP, GTN navigator, etc. My final inspection is complete and I am ready for first flight. The electrical system has been installed for a couple of years and has performed flawlessly during test (except for a couple of crappy Molex connectors on my CANBUS...fixed). In September I started ground engine and prop testing as well as getting the pitot/static/ADS-B, and ELT systems signed off. Everything electrically was great.

    Last week, while waiting for decent weather for my first flight, I flashed up the electrical system in the hangar to update my databases and all of sudden many of devices started cycling power (radios, MFD, ADS-B, etc). They would shut off for a couple of seconds, then power up again. This is on ground power (EarthX specified charger connected to the battery), no vibrations, no movement, everything perfectly still.

    I plugged my laptop in and brought up the VP-X configurator to monitor the devices and sure enough the check marks for some devices would go blank, then return. No pattern. I tried turning off the physical switches and using the laptop to turn on the devices and then they seemed stable. I also noticed that the "Always On" devices seemed stable.

    I checked my switches for connectors, grounds, etc and they are solid.

    Then it hit me: All of my testing so far had been in temperatures above about 10C (50F). The temps have dropped around here to around 0C (32F) on average. Am I seeing some VP-X board level issues due to temperature on the "Switches In" circuits?

    I'm going to run some tests tomorrow where I will first confirm the problem still exists then put a space heater in the cabin for an hour or so to heat stuff up and try again.

    Has anyone else seen something like this? Of course I bought this thing 4 years ago from Stein during my build so my warranty has long run out. I'm not really excited about buying another one nor in sending it back to Vertical Power for repair (the border/customs situation between Canada and the US is somewhat problematic right now).


    TIA
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    Mark

    Bearhawk 4A #1078 C-GPFG (Scratch built- in final assembly)
    Maule M5-235C C-GJFK (Sold)
    RV-8 C-GURV (Sold)

  • #2
    The VPX Pro board should be good down to -25C, so that should not be a problem. As a test, without having to rewire anything, I might try disabling all the switched circuits, or maybe change them to "always on" in the configurator, and see if you get any different behavior. Basically try to isolate a potential switch issue?
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    • rv8bldr
      rv8bldr commented
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      Yup, that's one of the things I'm going to try tomorrow. I'll do up a mini test plan tonight and try a bunch of configs. The only temperature related thing that has me concerned is maybe some bad solder joints on the board during manufacturing.

  • #3
    I would be very surprised if temperature had anything to do with it. Vertical Power shows the VP-X operating temp range as -40 to +85 deg C so you are not even close to the minimum. This seems like a good opportunity to evaluate their customer/tech support and their willingness to stand behind the product.​

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    • #4
      Remove all power from your aircraft. Charge up your EarthX battery with your charger. Remove your charger and try it again. I bet the issue lies with using the battery + charger as ground power. The EarthX does not like that. I've had mine do some wonkey stuff and stopped using the charger as ground power.
      Brooks Cone
      Southeast Michigan
      Patrol #303, Kit build

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      • svyolo
        svyolo commented
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        I can't speak to the charger type, but some chargers use a "pulse" as a float charge type. I agree with Brooks on this one.

      • gregc
        gregc commented
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        Maybe but Mark indicated that he is using a charger from EarthX's approved list. Also, why did it work correctly before?

      • rv8bldr
        rv8bldr commented
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        I am using the Optimate TM391 charger from EarthX. I have used it connected to the battery when testing for the last couple of years while building up the electrical system on the aircraft and have never seen this before.

        From the EarthX website: The Optimate TM-391 Lithium 6 amp charger that can be used as a charger, maintainer, or as a power supply for your lithium battery with 6 amps of energy. (The power supply mode will give you 5 amps at a constant 13.6V)

        That is exactly what I am seeing through the G3X display: 13.6V and 5A.

        HOWEVER, I will take your advice (thank you) and make it part of my testing strategy this afternoon when I head out. I do appreciate everyone's input.

    • #5
      Mark try removing the negative lead from the EarthX, then reconnect it. (Make sure the charger is not attached). This should reset the battery internal circuit and eliminate and issues there.
      Nev Bailey
      Christchurch, NZ

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      • #6
        OK, so I *think* I have figured it out. It isn't the VP-X itself.

        Here is what I did and discovered.

        1. Removed the charger from the battery to eliminate that as a problem.
        2. Turned the MASTER on and connected to the VP-X through the laptop. No other switches turned on.
        3. The "Always On" devices powered up and functioned correctly.
        4. Used the VP-X software on the laptop to turn on ALL of the devices without using the switches. All devices functioned correctly.
        5. Turned off all devices. Started turning on switches one at a time. All devices functioned correctly until I got to my AVN1 switch. Then the problem appeared ONLY on the AVN1 devices. Then I turned on my AVN2 switch and problem appeared on those devices as well as the AVN1 devices but nothing else. No Bank A/Bank B correlation.
        6. I futzed around for a while then noticed that problem had disappeared. Weird. So I powered everything off, went for a coffee to let everything cool back off (0C/32F in the hangar).
        7. I switched on the MASTER, AVN1 and AVN2. Problem was back. Switched AVN1 and AVN2 off.
        8. I then used a jumper wire to bypass the AVN1 switch. The AVN1 devices powered up and functioned correctly. Woo hoo!
        9. Same deal with AVN2.

        Conclusion: It *appears* that I have two bad switches that have a high resistance when they get cold because they function correctly otherwise. I'm going to buy all new switches paying close attention to the build quality as well as the rated temperature ranges.

        Once I have installed and tested the new switches, I'll report back.

        Thanks everyone for your inputs.
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        Mark

        Bearhawk 4A #1078 C-GPFG (Scratch built- in final assembly)
        Maule M5-235C C-GJFK (Sold)
        RV-8 C-GURV (Sold)

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        • Bcone1381
          Bcone1381 commented
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          Glad you got it fixed!

      • #7
        What type/brand/style switch are they?

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