Surviving in -60 winter weather conditions, no shelter, no fire...indefinitely

[way_up_north]

a forced landing in the winter is something that gives me the shivers...I hope this is of some use to someone out there....I have no financial interest in any of the links below...Just thinking about someone out there in the cold...trying to keep warm

I was planning on adding an extra feature to my plane that would allow myself and passengers to survive till rescue in extreme winter conditions....indefinitely(food and water taken out of equation)

It was discovered that supersoft polyurethane plastic upholstery foam has amazing properties(foam rubber and other substitutes will not work as cold weather protection) What you're sitting on could save your butt. When worn close to the skin it absorbs moisture and wicks it through the foam to the other side and dissipates it. by preventing moisture build up, 1 inch of this foam protects you to -60....essentially indefinitely.(this is claims from manufactures and users..Ive not verified this...your millage will very)

I was going to make my seats from this foam, cut them open when needed and insulate my clothes with the foam and voila...ready for the winter... waiting for rescue...many Bearhawks are probably flying now with this foam installed and didn't know its potential usefulness.

The technology has been around for awhile but to my knowledge not implemented in any way in aviation.

the blankets used in the video below use this particular foam

So you could fall through the ice and come out wet and 1 minute later be toasty warm again. A few companies are making clothing from this foam(fortress clothing in UTAH)...ect...nothing special about the clothing below in the video other then its made from this particular foam....

In my case I was also going to vacuum seal a few 4x8 sheets to use for multiple passengers...as a large sleeping bag for everyone to get into....you cover with a tarp and wait.


supersoft polyurethane plastic upholstery foam ..available in all sizes and thicknesses at very low prices..less then $75 for big sheets..from wholesale sites online ..(foam rubber and other substitutes will not work)

a good link to mother earth news with info on this.... Make Your Own Extreme-cold-weather Clothing

[Chris In Milwaukee]

Nice collection of survival stuff on fellow Bearhawker Zane’s website.

https://backcountrypilot.org/knowledge-base/safety-and-survival

[Battson]

Interesting topic, but what's the link to building a Bearhawk Aircraft?

[Bdflies]

It’s a reminder to never even think of flying the Bearhawk up there in winter!!!

Bill

[way_up_north]

Interesting topic, but what's the link to building a Bearhawk Aircraft?

Maybe you missed it in the post....

I`m installing this foam in my aircraft...in the seats...my bum will sit on it while airborne.......let me know if you're still fuzzy on this....lol

[jaredyates]

Perhaps the single biggest challenge to having a successful online group is keeping the experts around. Here's what I mean by that. When someone is new to the Bearhawk, they want to come to a place like this, as they should. They stick around for a while, get answers from folks who have done it before, maybe build the airplane, and start flying it. That's the stage where they have the most information to give back, but yet, that's also the stage where they have the least to gain, unless they just enjoy sharing. The building process is a gradual shift from primarily reception of information into primarily transmission of information. The more a person knows about the Bearhawk, the less reason they have to be here every day. I'm hoping it is not lost on you that you are replying here to a person who we can say is high on a list of the dozen most knowledgeable Bearhawk people in the world. Place yourself in the position of the moderator who tries to keep things running, and takes effort to ensure that we have experts here to answer the questions that we all have. I'll be honest, you are making the job harder. I'm not saying we can't disagree with the experienced posters or push back when the time is right. But we pride ourselves on being one of the most civilized online venues around. I'm concerned that you have not yet embraced/realized that culture, and I'm not yet sure how to help with that. Please be aware of any posts that could be construed as rude towards anyone, especially the most experienced Bearhawk operators that we need to keep around. Please relax, listen more, and don't be so defensive, especially if you are going to go way out from the center.

[way_up_north]

Nice collection of survival stuff on fellow Bearhawker Zane’s website.

https://backcountrypilot.org/knowled...y-and-survival

Thanks for posting this link...I took a look and there is links and info to many experts on there....much appriciated.....I love that be prepared Boy Scout stuff

[Archer39J]

There was a Survivorman where he uses parts of the plane and seat cushions, I seem to recall he pretended to have a broken arm too. But I’ve seen other survival stories that had better outcomes because folks weren’t shy about tearing up the insides of their vehicle. Good advice...

[quadra]

Rubbish.... in spite of the Mother Earth News endorsement of "Jim" ,facts and the laws of physics ( thermodynamics specifically ) do not support your opinion. Simple logic would dictate this material would insulate every new home, be turned into throw blankets, and be covering every coffee cup, beer can and burger carton.
I recall reading that you are a plan holder? please go build your plane... or go find this material.. build a suit... cut a hole in the ice, have a splash ( way down south in lake Ontario..) and let us know how your night on the ice is.
I do not have my plans yet, but enjoy the quality of the content that people who have done, built, flown, etc. have added to this repository.

[svyolo]

Nothing BH related. If I were king, I would hit the little red button on this thread.

[jaredyates]

I'm not king but I've got a red button. I'm still on the fence about it.

[Bdflies]

Which reminds me of another forum I like. I have a Miata as an occasional fun car. Drive an occasional autocross, very poorly... The forum has thousands of members and a LOT of activity. One of the more active sections is titled "The Water Cooler", which sees non-Miata topics. Some really interesting stuff gets bounced around there. There’s actually a bit of aviation discussion there, by some very knowledgeable folks...
Have The Powers That Be (Jared) ever given thought to such an 'off-topic' section? Call it The Pilots Lounge..... Just a thought

Bill

[Chris In Milwaukee]

I’d rather there not be, personally. We went through this on the Yahoo! Groups. This forum was created in the post apocalyptic aftermath of that environment. You can go back and read the history on that if you like. Short story is Bob got involved (which he doesn’t usually do), and some firm ground rules were set since the Brand is involved. So let’s keep it on topic and be kind to one another.

[jaredyates]

Which reminds me of another forum I like. I have a Miata as an occasional fun car. Drive an occasional autocross, very poorly... The forum has thousands of members and a LOT of activity. One of the more active sections is titled "The Water Cooler", which sees non-Miata topics. Some really interesting stuff gets bounced around there. There’s actually a bit of aviation discussion there, by some very knowledgeable folks...
Have The Powers That Be (Jared) ever given thought to such an 'off-topic' section? Call it The Pilots Lounge..... Just a thought

Bill

Bill, we think about it from time to time. One of the biggest problems is being able to automatically exclude that section from the search results, which I don't think we currently have a way to do. My preference is to avoid it regardless, especially having lived for a few years under the off-topic Yahoo group. But I'm also far into the "robot" end of the social spectrum for sure. I was just listening to a bit of audio about the psychology of groups and social capital. It was talking about how we decide who to trust, in a world where life depends on us accepting a truth about most of things without verifying them first hand. Apparently we are wired to base our trust on things like how much we like the other person telling us. It is as though there is a craving to have some context about something we do know (non-Bearhawk life) so that we can have a better understanding about whether we should trust a speaker's input about things we don't know. For example, when I read a newspaper article about the airline business and see that the article is written poorly, then I realize that I should definitely not trust that newspaper on topics that I don't know anything about.

So I say all of that to say that an off-topic area would not be completely without benefit (as I once thought), but I'm still afraid the costs may outweigh the benefits.

[way_up_north]

Nothing BH related. If I were king, I would hit the little red button on this thread.

please turn your eyes to rule one of posting on this forum....
Posting Rules - Please read

09-15-2013, 08:25 PM



Hello,

Welcome to the Bearhawk Forums. I sincerely hope that you will enjoy being a member here and gain (as well as share) a lot of insights and knowledge about the Bearhawk4-Place, Patrol and LSA airplanes.

Please take a minute to read the few simple rules that we follow as members of the group:

1. This is an aviation related group. What that means is that all posts must be somehow aviation related. To keep it interesting, posts do not have to be strictly about the Bearhawk, Patrol or LSA, but should be at least somehow aviation related (airplane build techniques, flying, fly-ins, etc.).

2. Politics (see exception*), religion, porn, or graphic language will be not be tolerated.

* The exception to the "no politics" rule is that discussions about proposed laws or regulations that would directly affect aviation, freedom of flying, aviation fuel taxes, airport use charges, etc. are fine as long as they are directly aviation related. Just use common sense.

3. Anyone interested in learning about Bearhawk airplanes is welcome - you do not need to be a plans holder to join or be on this group.

That's really it - follow the rules and everyone will be happy.

Please take a moment to post a message and introduce yourself to the group. We always appreciate it when you include your name as well as your city & state, in your signature at the bottom of your post. You might just find out that there are some builders close by that you can pay a visit to.

Thanks for joining and have fun!

Eric Newton



The Bearhawk aircraft gives you the ability to fly far and wide...its design means it will find its way into hostile environments where other planes fear to tread........

I was looking out the window yesterday...with a blizzard roaring and -20 Celsius...-4 F.....thinking GOD ..I hope some SOB is not caught in this white hell....

so I gathered what I knew about this subject(helping to survive an off airport landing in -20 blizzard) and put it before you...

Thats my motivation....

you and others are declaring this topic non related to aviation..or interesting as it relates to aviation........got it...

[Chewie]

There’s actually a bit of aviation discussion there, by some very knowledgeable folks...

Clearly the solution is to start a bearhawk subforum on Bill's Miata group!

[Bdflies]

Clearly the solution is to start a bearhawk subforum on Bill's Miata group!

Hmmm... why didn’t I think of that... Clearly Mark is thinking outside the box!

I personally wouldn’t try to exclude such from the search function. Some quirky stuff shows up at "The Water Cooler", but some darned interesting stuff as well!

Bill

[Mark Goldberg]

Back a long time ago we used Yahoo Groups instead of this forum format. There were so many postings about non Bearhawk things (like politics) that we had to step in and get it centered again on building and flying Bearhawks. Long story there that does not need to be recounted. But keeping posts on topic is important. Whether this area is too far off topic is something Jared can decide since he is the administrator and smarter than me.

However, I again encourage you guys to get out to your shops and build the plane. While you are sitting at your computer your Bearhawk is NOT building itself. Mark