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  • New Brake Master Cylinders Designed by Bob

    Note: Until Further Notice, do not use these cylinders in applications with two pairs of brakes (pilot and copilot etc).
    More information here: https://bearhawkforums.com/forum/saf...e-applications


    In the early days Bearhawk folks mostly used long-shaft Gerdes master cylinders (A-110-10). They were abundant and cheap. Then when those got scarce around 2006 or so, folks started using a short shaft version, with a longer machined fork threaded onto the end (A-110-4). On our blue plane, I had two of each. The forks are a special Bearhawk part that Mark keeps in stock.

    It seems we Bearhawkers have finally depleted the world's supply of surplus Gerdes cylinders, (or at least B&B's supply) so something needed to change.

    Bob has designed a new machined master cylinder, and while it is still in final testing, it is beautiful. First, here is a long-shaft Gerdes next to Bob's new one:
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    Another view:
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    Notice that the new cylinders are machined aluminum, vs the originals which were cast. Either works, but the bling factor is high on the new ones. The center shaft on the Gerdes is made from a very soft aluminum that is easy to bend while handling. On our blue Bearhawk I had to straighten a bent one, and one of the cylinders I removed from 303AP was also very bent. The new ones use a stainless steel center shaft which is much more durable.

    Like the Gerdes, the new cylinder ports use 1/8 NPT thread, which allows for installation of an AN822-4D (90-degree), AN823-4D (45-degree), or AN816 (straight) fittings to connect to hoses. Also like the Gerdes, the threads on the shaft are 5/16x24 (fine thread) which means it's easy to find jam nuts made from aluminum, cad-plated steel, or stainless as you prefer. Bearhawk Aircraft has the machined forks that go on the end. Both ends have 3/16" holes for bolts or clevis pins, where the cylinders attach to the airframe and to the brake pedals.

    More pics:
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    The above photo shows the Gerdes long shaft compared to the new cylinder. Note that the forks are longer. If you replace a short-shaft Gerdes cylinder with one of the new ones, Bob's design will be a drop-in replacement. If you'll be replacing long-shaft cylinders, you'll also need a set of the longer forks but can reuse your old jam nut. Bob prefers aluminum nuts, because, as you would expect, they are lighter. They are serving a very minor strength role here, and primarily just keep the shaft from rotating and to keep the threads from wearing. The Gerdes cylinder in the picture is missing a jam nut, but don't call Vic Syracuse, it wasn't in service like that! I was in the process of swapping the hardware over when I realized I should probably get a picture. The photo shows a zinc-plated jam nut but new aluminum nuts are enroute as I type.

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    Above: Notice that the top cap is retained by a snap ring. So like the Gerdes, these are field-rebuildable with off-the-shelf o-rings.

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    Look at this machined end!

    The new cylinders have been flying in 619MS (the prototype Bearhawk Five) and in Mark Goldberg's Patrol, which is currently getting some travels thanks to Peter Brown. The cylinders have performed well in a wide range of ambient temperatures. They have not yet been subjected to many years and hundreds of hours of use, but there's no reason to doubt that they will provide excellent service life.

    The initial test batch was of less than a dozen cylinders, but the first big production batch is underway now. If you have an urgent need and are ready for some right away, reach out to Mark Goldberg (512-626-7886). If you'll need some later this spring, there should be plenty to go around. I have installed a set on 303AP and look forward to testing them as soon as it is ready to fly again.

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    Here is a link to the 2006 Beartracks article that talks about using the short shaft Gerdes instead of the long shaft:


    And here is a link that talks about how to rebuild the Gerdes cylinders:
    Last edited by jaredyates; 07-11-2023, 09:36 PM.

  • #2
    They look great, I am sure Mark has 4 earmarked for me, hopefully in the mail as I type this

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    • #3
      Bob and his helper should be receiving the first batch of 100 to assemble very soon. Then I will start to send them out to everyone who got their kits but not the master cylinders. It has taken longer than expected to get these made and tested. We started with four prototype sets of the three parts that are machined to make the assembly. The barrel, shaft, and top cap. Bob tweeked the dimensions/tolerances on the top cap after the first ones were assembled.

      I would like some input on something that could be done to the new master cyls. I have considered anodizing them to give them the golden/light brownish color. Instead of the bright aluminum look. Anodizing is not expensive, and I have the feeling it would make them look more "finished". What do you guys think? Mark

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      • #4
        What’s the bore diameter? Same as the Gerdes?

        I could go either way on the anodizing. The Matco set of master cylinders I put on the pilot side are anodized and think they look good. I think I’d prefer them being anodized but since Bearhawk builders seem to be type that pinches a penny till it bleeds it may be worth while to leave them plain.

        I’m interested in a set to replace the Gerdes on my co pilot side but I’m in no hurry. I’ll check with Mark later.
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        • #5
          Would the anodizing go on the inside also? From what I understand anodizing creates a harder surface. Not sure if brake cylinders wear but this may help them last longer if they do.
          Model B quick build started 2021

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          • #6
            Anodizing has also been known to cause embrittlement in some instances.

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            • #7
              I would be in favor of anodizing, it would increase corrosion resistance and the hard surface is more wear resistant than bare AL. They could be anodized clear if there was a preference for that over a color.

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              • #8
                Hard anodizing is different than the colored anodizing you might be talking about. If you are looking for wear resistance than you want hard anodizing but there will be a limited choice of colors, typically black and you might need to verify which aluminum alloys are compatible.

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                • #9
                  See note above- until Bob makes an update, don't operate with two pairs of these cylinders in series:
                  Recent testing has revealed the potentially hazardous condition of a locked brake caliper, when using Bob's brake master cylinders in two-pilot installations. This problem only relates to installations using four master cylinders in one airplane, but it requires immediate attention. In the installation where the problem

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