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    I thought I saw a post about this awhile back but can't find it. Maybe it was another forum. I have seen several pics of stainless cables that are only a year or two old and have a spot where it is worn halfway trough and I have a friend who had a stainless rudder cable break, fortunately on roll out after landing on grass. (kept it straight with brakes-no incident) I had seen some speculating on why this is and none of it made sense to me. Its time for me to put my cables in and before I install the stainless that I bought over a year ago I thought I would research a bit. After finding the attached article, I'll be ordering galvanized cables and looking for another use for the stainless that I already have. The cheap side of me thought "use the stainless and keep an eye on it" the other part of me, the part that wants to live forever, thought "why take any extra risks-your flying is already bad enough without risking a control failure"

    Anyway, I thought I would share this article in case there are others out there like me who just "know" that stainless is better than galvanized. My thoughts only extended to the idea that if the galvanized coating gets scratched the cable will rust and that may be hard to notice. Clearly there is more to be considered.
    Aircraft Control Cable - Stainless or Galvanized?



    Aircraft Control Cable
    Galvanized on top and Stainless on bottom
    "A general service history has shown the use of stainless steel cables in aircraft control systems results in premature wear and has been a factor in minor incidences as well as catastrophic failure. A current trend is underway in the aviation industry to move away from the use of stainless steel cable for primary flight control applications, except where marine operations are performed." FAA Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin CE-12-01 Dated October 24, 2011.
    Frayed stainless steel control cable is suspect in a Twin-Otter crash killing 14 passengers in Tahiti in August of 2007.

    General aviation aircraft generally use control cable made from either stainless steel or galvanized steel. Each type has its advantages and disadvantages. Generally;
    • Galvanized rope is stronger.
    • Galvanized rope has greater fatigue strength.
    • Galvanized rope has less wear.
    • Galvanized rope is easier to inspect for corrosion damage.
    • Per FAA CE-12-01:
    • Stainless steel is more corrosion resistant.
    • Stainless steel has considerably less service life due to high wear.
    • Stainless steel cannot be inspected for corrosion damage.
    • Stainless steel is stiffer and has lower bending fatigue resistance - important in flight control systems
    • Stainless steel has a higher friction coefficient that results in increased wear every time the cable is flexed.
    • Stainless steel becomes more stiff, leading to increased abrasion wear in the inside as well as the outside of the cable

    The poor wear resistance of stainless steel rope has resulted in aircraft control problems. More frequent inspections are required. For more information on this subject reference: Special-Airworthiness-Information-Bulletin:-SAIB CE-01-30, July 11, 2001. For 172S airplanes see FAA SAIB: CE-11-3. also CE-11-36, Piper Service Bulletin 1048.

    There are several reasons why stainless wears more than galvanized steel when used on flight controls:
    The bending of a wire rope causes the individual wire stands to not only bend but to rub against one another. Galvanizing is a natural lubricant. For example, galvanized threads have a lower friction (K) factor then plain steel. The individual wires can easily move about with very little friction and wear. Stainless steel on the other hand has high friction and has a reputation for seizing and galling when rubbed together. Every time the wire rope is flexed, the stainless wires rub together. High friction creates high wear.

    There are several methods of reducing wear and increasing fatigue resistance in a wire rope. Wear resistance can be increased by changing how the wire stands are wound. In the picture above the individual wires are horizontal (parallel to the axis of the rope). This is called "right regular lay" and is the standard lay. Another method of winding the wire stands is so that they form an angle to the axis of the rope. This is called "lang lay". Lang lay increases fatigue strength and abrasion resistance without any decrease in ultimate strength. Another method of changing the wire characteristics of fatigue strength,. abrasion resistance, and flexibility is to use wires of different diameters. For example, Douglas-Specification DMS2192 calls for a Warrington Seal (IWRC) construction. This type of wire rope has larger wires on the outside and and smaller wires on the inside.

    There are other wire rope designs that the engineer can call for to optimize specific performance goals. This is why when we replace wire rope we should make sure that the replacement meets the original manufacturer's specifications.

    Galvanized Vs Stainless - who uses what?
    As of 2004, Boeing uses practically no stainless steel cables. They use the Tin over Zinc variety of carbon steel cable in their primary flight control cables.

    Rollie VanDorn
    Findlay, OH
    Patrol Quick Build

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    I initially used stainless for all my control cables, after about 200hrs the rudder cables had worn so badly at the fairleads, that there were strands physically cut in two by the wear.
    I replaced them with galvanised cables (rudder only) and have seen nothing like that kind of wear in the following 150hrs so far.

    I regularly inspect the length of my other cables, and haven't seen any issues with those remaining stainless ones (yet).

    I understand stainless is only recommended for seaplane applications.
    Last edited by Battson; 10-05-2015, 08:40 PM. Reason: Clarify language

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    • #3
      Boeing uses cables for their primary flight control surfaces? I thought everything was hydraulic.
      Mark
      Scratch building Patrol #275
      Hood River, OR

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      • #4
        Rollie, for a long time we recommended stainless cable. But I have seen enough evidence now that I have been suggesting galvanized for the hardware packages our customers order. Mark

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        • #5
          I have no practical experience, only reading the same things you posted. I ended up going with the tin over zinc based on conversations I had with a manufacturer Loos & Co. If you can round up 4 builders and purchase 600 ft they will cut you a good deal. I went in with a few guys from this site.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by mswain View Post
            I have no practical experience, only reading the same things you posted. I ended up going with the tin over zinc based on conversations I had with a manufacturer Loos & Co. If you can round up 4 builders and purchase 600 ft they will cut you a good deal. I went in with a few guys from this site.


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            DO THIS GUYS! Great pricing on great cable. (Thanks again Mike!)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Battson View Post
              I initially used stainless for all my control cables, after about 200hrs the rudder cables had worn so badly at the fairleads, that there were strands physically cut in two by the wear.
              I replaced them with galvanised cables (rudder only) and have seen nothing like that kind of wear in the following 150hrs so far.

              I regularly inspect the length of my other cables, and haven't seen any issues with those remaining stainless ones (yet).

              I understand stainless is only recommended for seaplane applications.

              Mine had the same issue. I'll second, third, and fourth using galvanized instead.

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              • #8
                I just found a severely worn left rudder cable at the aft baggage bulkhead a few days ago. See the photo below. It has 625 hrs on it. The right one is ok but shows bright spots where it is wearing. From what I have been reading lately galvanized cable is a better way to go if you are not in a salt air environment.
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                • #9
                  Forgot to mention, that frayed cable is stainless...

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for the data point Mark. I was able to catch mine a little earlier in the cycle but I didn't get anywhere near that many hours out of it. I'm glad it held together for the trip home so that you can repair it at your leisure instead of on a ramp somewhere!

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                    • #11
                      Type in "galvanized cable" in the search bar and you will find five additional threads in this forum about stainless steel cable vs galvanized cable. All good reading...

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