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  • Covers for Flap and Aileron Hinges.

    I have a question or two on the Hinge Covers for the Flap and Aileron.

    Background.....In Beartracks Q1 of 2006 the covers are documented and instructions are to secure them with 3/32" AL pull rivets. (In 2015 one of the covers dimensions changed. https://bearhawkforums.com/forum/saf...cket-cover-jam )

    My question is this. Do these covers typically get removed after they are installed? Thats my impression, but I am re-evaluating it. I'm envisioning the kernels of a drilled out pull rivet floating around inside the flight controls every time they were removed. That cant be, but maybe there is a way to remove the kernels after they get drilled out. I want to stay away from riv-nuts.
    Last edited by Bcone1381; 11-10-2019, 06:49 PM. Reason: spelling
    Brooks Cone
    Southeast Michigan
    Patrol #303, Kit build

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    Those covers are rarely removed. You can always use pops on one side (like the tops) and little sheet metal screws on the other. That would allow you access when/if needed. Mark

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    • #3
      Refer to the latest guidance about the size of these covers, if they are made incorrectly and they come loose then they can jam control surfaces.
      I used screws, the only time I have ever removed them was when I needed to disassemble the wing after things got bent.
      While removing them is rare, I was pleased not to have to drill out pop rivets. The drilled off rivet heads would probably get stuck somewhere inside the aileron and drum a hole in the fabric.

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      • #4
        We flew for 55hrs without these covers. We took the flaps and ailerons off several times during that time. Now that things are properly rigged I don't see a reason we'd ever remove them again, except as noted below. We still chose to use screws to install the covers.

        Note: Due to it being harder to see/touch the bolts that attach the flaps/ailerons I wish we had used drilled bolts and cotter pins. This is a change we will make at the next annual.
        Scratch Built 4-place Bearhawk. Continental IO-360, 88” C203 McCauley prop.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by whee View Post
          We flew for 55hrs without these covers. We took the flaps and ailerons off several times during that time. Now that things are properly rigged I don't see a reason we'd ever remove them again, except as noted below. We still chose to use screws to install the covers.

          Note: Due to it being harder to see/touch the bolts that attach the flaps/ailerons I wish we had used drilled bolts and cotter pins. This is a change we will make at the next annual.
          Ahhh! I had not thought of that. I'll do the same.
          Brooks Cone
          Southeast Michigan
          Patrol #303, Kit build

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          • #6
            Originally posted by whee View Post
            Note: Due to it being harder to see/touch the bolts that attach the flaps/ailerons I wish we had used drilled bolts and cotter pins. This is a change we will make at the next annual.
            I believe this should have been picked up by the DAR (?) as it doesn't strictly comply with AC43.13B?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Battson View Post

              I believe this should have been picked up by the DAR (?) as it doesn't strictly comply with AC43.13B?
              The heim joint has a bearing so technicaly nothing is turning on the bolt so it doesn’t need a cotter pin. Still, I will be changing to cotter pins and drilled bolts. A strict reading of 43.13 would require drilled bolts and pins on the landing gear....

              Pretty sure I used the hardware designated...somewhere, one of the manuals.

              Scratch Built 4-place Bearhawk. Continental IO-360, 88” C203 McCauley prop.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by whee View Post

                The heim joint has a bearing so technicaly nothing is turning on the bolt so it doesn’t need a cotter pin. Still, I will be changing to cotter pins and drilled bolts. A strict reading of 43.13 would require drilled bolts and pins on the landing gear....

                Pretty sure I used the hardware designated...somewhere, one of the manuals.
                Yes, I did use cotter pins on all those landing gear bolts. Same with all flaps and aileron surfaces, plus trim surfaces.
                Can't be too careful.

                I agree that the manuals call out the wrong bolts in this case.

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                • #9

                  I think the manual is in accordance with what Tony Bengelis wrote on this topic.....

                  "you can use self-locking nuts in a pulley installation, in a rod end bearing installation or against an anti-friction bearing where the nut tightly binds against the inner race of the bearing or against a part of the fitting that tightly binds the inner race of the bearing. Figure 4 has an example shown."
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                  Brooks Cone
                  Southeast Michigan
                  Patrol #303, Kit build

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                  • whee
                    whee commented
                    Editing a comment
                    As you show here Brooks, the BH manual is accurate in specing self locking nuts. I thought they were fine until we put the pocket covers on. Now I have a hard time seeing the bolt/nuts and can not touch them...I don’t like that thus I’m going to change them.

                • #10
                  Can someone please provide a reference to the manual in question so that we can update it?

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by jaredyates View Post
                    Can someone please provide a reference to the manual in question so that we can update it?
                    Perhaps see what Bob thinks about it first? Maybe a note will be preferred over a blanket change?

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by whee View Post

                      The heim joint has a bearing so technicaly nothing is turning on the bolt so it doesn’t need a cotter pin. Still, I will be changing to cotter pins and drilled bolts. A strict reading of 43.13 would require drilled bolts and pins on the landing gear....

                      Pretty sure I used the hardware designated...somewhere, one of the manuals.
                      Nylocks on gear bolts has always confused me. Not sure why so many people do that and it's become standard practice when it's not correct.

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by zkelley2 View Post

                        Nylocks on gear bolts has always confused me. Not sure why so many people do that and it's become standard practice when it's not correct.
                        Agreed, the gear bolts should be drilled and secured with cotter pins. If the manual says otherwise, it is an error that we can fix, if someone knows where it says that.

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                        • zkelley2
                          zkelley2 commented
                          Editing a comment
                          I'm not sure off the top of my head what it says. I'm just saying in general. If I take a walk through the ramp at hood, probably half the aircraft with gear leg attachment like ours have locking nuts. Certified or experimental.

                        • whee
                          whee commented
                          Editing a comment
                          I’ve only seen a few BHs in person and they all had self locking nuts on the gear. I didn’t like it but that is what the Avipro manual called out. When I asked Bob about it he said it is not and issue so I went it with. My DAR didn’t question it but I had a friend who’s plane failed inspecion and the self locking nuts on the gear was on the punch list.

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                        Here's a really good example of how not to do it.
                        All you can do is laugh.

                        I've also seen that pictured, but with a cotter pin after the locking nut. It's like um.... I guess that won't fail, but how about no.

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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by Bcone1381 View Post
                          I think the manual is in accordance with what Tony Bengelis wrote on this topic.....

                          "you can use self-locking nuts in a pulley installation, in a rod end bearing installation or against an anti-friction bearing where the nut tightly binds against the inner race of the bearing or against a part of the fitting that tightly binds the inner race of the bearing. Figure 4 has an example shown."
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                          To be fair, we need to refer to AC43.13B

                          If the aurora bearing seizes - this is not unheard of - then the nut is subject to rotation. Hence AC43.13B Part 7 Section 4 expressly prohibits the use of self-locking nuts.

                          That section is pretty much dedicated to when you mustn't use self locking nuts. That is an implicit message, if you read between the lines...

                          The nut can work it's way free if the bearing seizes, and you may never notice until the nut works it's way off. Aurora bearings can definitely corrode and lock up, especially in a coastal environment.

                          Ultimately it's up for interpretation, because the AC is not exhaustive. The safest approach is using a castle nut.
                          Last edited by Battson; 11-13-2019, 04:52 PM.

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